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June 30, 2008

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Ray

I suppose what one considers cheap or expensive is relative so we could argue this ad nauseum. Fact of the matter is, comparitively, the US, compared to all other western industrialized nations has very inexpensive fuel (even more so when looking at per capita income compared to other western nations).

Yes oil/gas companies are making record profits, but that isn't the issue. They're entitled to it (as long as we keep paying), no matter how shocking their profits are. What is at issue is the valuation of the underlying input and its price will keep going up until there is no more oil left to pump (at a viable price).

In any case, I'm not advocating people drive 'mini-cars' and bicycles, but rather that they don't complain about the price of fuel when driving around in a Suburban or similar ridiculously sized vehicle.

What is abundantly clear is supply chains will need to be re-worked given the ever increasing price of oil. Time to re-evaluatate our globalized sourcing options. If you haven't already seen this report 'Will Soaring Transport Costs Reverse Globalization?' check it out.

http://research.cibcwm.com/economic_public/download/smay08.pdf

eric

Sorry Ross, Gas at $4.60 a gallon is ridiculous. ExxonMobil is the most profitable company on the planet because of fuel prices. This isn't about cost pass through. This is PROFITS.

There are a lot of hidden costs to the price of fuel, and it goes well beyond driving a mini-car and riding a bike. (though I agree with you on the need to do these things).

Forbes had a pretty good article on this today. Check it out.

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2008/07/09/fuel-price-casualties-forbeslife-cx_jm_0709gas.html

Eric

Ray

About your comment that you don't know how people can afford gas at $4.60 gallon, we're paying about $5.70/gallon in Canada (mostly due to taxes) and we're not hurting all that bad! In Europe it's even pricier.

The diffrence? We're driving (on average) smaller cars! It would seems this is a pretty obvious way to cut consumption and cash (in the short term) while waiting for new technologies to wean us off oil.

Gas at 4.60/gallon is cheap!

Eric

any energy strategy is going to be a combination of resources. Brazil and Argentina use ethanol and natural gas respectively in cars.

Brazilian ethanol is made from cheap and plentiful sugar cane, which the US lacks due to growing conditions. Natural gas is an an Argentinian resource.

hydrogen generated from wind or solar electricity is not environmentally damaging. Electricity cant be stored, but hydrogen can be.

Paul Gooch, The Logical Group

strange, I was asked only yesterday if I knew of any companies which may be considering shipping hydrogen by marine tanker. My initial reaction was, why would you want to do that when hydrogen is everywhere. Considering the high input cost (electricity)do we want to compound the felony by shipping the stuff halfway round the world? Perhaps I'm missing something...could someone enlighten me?

John Otten

I was wondering what the cost per gallon equivalent is for hydrogen...based on your comments that it requires a significant amount of electricity (coal,oil, nuclear etc. to produce). Is it really a viable alternative (cost wise) or is the real value in the pollution reduction?

Gunny

Just think of hydrogen as a battery - it stores electricity.

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